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Lucas Kell
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:20:00 -
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Ah. Now that Somer have posted the agreement they supposed had signed off, it's a little clearer what went on. Looks like Somer basically made up some bullcrap about not giving over isk for cash.
Quote:Proposal: If you buy an ETC from the Blink affiliate link, you turn it into PLEX. Blink will buy the PLEX from you at a published rate that is the same for all ETC buyers-- just contract the PLEX to Blink for the agreed-on price. You can only sell 2 PLEX at this rate for each ETC you purchased (so you can't just go buy PLEX in Jita and resell them to Blink for more than you paid) Justification: Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. Instead, we make it easy to sell your PLEX and get your ISK quickly, no matter where you are-- no Jita alt required. This is a service, in keeping with CCP's new guidelines that ETC affiliate link rewards should be service-oriented. The first line of the justification suggests that there is no bonus isk, which is clearly a lie. We can see from the price they are buying at that it's extra. If this is what CCP signed off, I would hope to see Somer vanish very rapidly, especially with this being the 2nd time they've tried to wiggle around RMT rules. Don't give them a chance to do it a third time. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:46:00 -
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Completely Unaligned wrote:So, you are all ganging up on Somer, nowhere do I see Eve-bet or Iwantisk.com mentioned. So many people are going to be affected by this witch hunt, Somer sponsors many groups with both isk and items. I don't believe that thousands of $ are being made as mentioned, personally I don't have a problem with a few bucks to pay expenses being made. Isn't the real world full of enough haters for you, can't you leave it out of our games. I joined Eve to have fun and get away from real life problems for a couple of hours a day, so thanks for merging the two worlds so very successfully. Bravo haters of the world. They aren't being mentioned because they aren't engaging in RMT. Our issue isn't with running an eve gambling site, it's with them running an RMT scheme to run it as a business. I joined EVE for entertainment, and I'd like to continue being entertained, not watch the game go down the pan from RMTers wrecking it to make some quick cash. Somer clearly doesn't give a crap about the game, just about their bottom line, so CCP should smash that banhammer down with full force and be done with them.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 07:59:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Dude, As much as I agree with what you are saying and would love Somer to get permanently banned and every single isk in any wallet he has access to removed if CCP have legally agreed this with him then they might not be able to do anything.
I have have always said nothing CCP does surprises me anymore.. boy was I wrong lol First off, they can do what they want. They can literally ban you for liking the colour yellow.
Secondly, what they agreed to appears to be "no extra isk", and what they are doing is paying extra isk for the plex. So what CCP appear to have agreed (which is in error itself I agree) is not what is happening. Had the agreement not had this specific line: "Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link." then perhaps they could have wiggled it, but this is pretty clear, and certainly not a reflection of the reality of the situation. Buy though their link, get extra isk for your plex.
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 09:21:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:For all you folks gathering the pitchforks and torches and learning to tie ropes into nooses. Do you expect a single or mass execution? Just Somer or Somer and staff or Somer staff and anybody who has ever done business with them? On the Somer side, I expect the usual treatment. Somer should be permabanned, as would any other account directly involved with the running of Somer as a business, an all assets removed. The staff that aren't at that high level should just have all Somer assets removed. Usually with RMT, there is no messing about, the account involved are gone and the isk/items are taken, simple as that. I don't expect this to be any different. If it is, that shows that there is unfair leniency being shown to Somer.
Mike Azariah wrote:Or if you are heading the mob towards CCP are you looking for the one person mentioned in the 'email leak' or their entire staff or (as some of you love to ask for) the entire senior management team of CCP for allowing this to take place? Community and CSM thrown in for good measure, no doubt. From CCP, all I expect is an understanding of what went wrong, how it went wrong, and the steps that will be taken to prevent it reoccurring. I'm certainly not screaming for anyone's head on a stick. Whether or not they think any punishment is due internally is up to them and none of our business.
And I'd say the CSM have handled this one exceptionally and thank you all for that. There's clearly a lot of effort going on to make sure that people are as in the loop as possible, and that there's an assurance it's being looked at. The only worry people have is that like has happened before, the results will be underwhelming and nothing will change, with this just getting swept away. Do us all a favour and ensure that doesn't happen. Perhaps if results began to meet the expectations for the community, we'd see less people losing faith in CCPs ability to deal with these situations. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 09:28:00 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:I read Somer's proposal text in full (linked on his site) and if you do, it's pretty obvious IMO that the wording and order of given information is intentionally misleading. Furthermore the claimed intention (provide a service to players to ease in game PLEX selling) makes no business sense in combination with a negative ISK fee unless you include the real money part.
BUT what if the scheme is altered to give out the Jita sell price -1 Mio in fees for the service? Indeed, it was designed to sound like it was purposely avoiding RMT while in actual fact facilitating it. As for the altered scheme, I'd say that it's still mixing up in game items with real cash, and is dangerous ground to leave open. Additionally, I think Somer have used up all of their "benefit of the doubt" cards. It wouldn't be unreasonable for CCP to disallow Somer's use of any GTC affiliate program through any reseller. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 10:58:00 -
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Dilligafmofo wrote:Equality? in Eve? are you real?
Server shut downs to save fleets? The Goon string puller mittani is making more RL cash from his website advertisements than I bet Somer ever could.
And yet people scream equality - are you awake? can you even smell those roses? Server shutdowns aren't really any form of inequality, as they are usually pretty unavoidable and some have been external. As for TMC, whats not equal about advertising on websites? There's nothing illegal about having paid advertising, nor is there anything CCP could say against it. And anyone can do it. Go ahead, make a website right now and chuck ads on it, you're free to do that whenever you wish. The problem isn't making cash, the problem is RMT. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 14:30:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Abrazzar wrote:It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths. This is hands down the best post I've ever seen anyone make on these forums in the history of EVE. You say that, but this runs a close second:CCP Falcon wrote:Frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about. You also have no idea how deep we have to dig to investigate this, given the sheer number of transactions that this service generates.
If you'd like to rumor mill as usual, do it elsewhere, or be prepared to lose your ability to post on this forum.
On and Falcon... How come you can't quote until the end of time and I can't?!?! WANT MOAR QUOTES! The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:15:00 -
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Sketchy Bob wrote:Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input. Customers like you probably should. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:16:00 -
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Baron Torkskails wrote:seriously need to reconsider this whole affair, the CSM's relevance to the matter is minimal at best. the promotion was approved by ccp after a long discussion and should be honored. Have you read the actual workflow that was supposedly agreed? It explicitly states no extra isk will be handed across, yet extra isk is handed across. What CCP (or at least one person at CCP) agreed to was not the same as what they set up as the promotion. They purposely misled them to get them to agree, hoping they could then use that as their defense. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:29:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:the momentum of this is pretty scary. I feel bad for the guy for the possibility that his intentions were good. you have to admit, this much attention is scary in itself, and it's the kind of thing that would keep you up at night if you have a conscience. His intentions were not good, his intentions were to make money and that's that. Nobody here believe that he occidentally stumbled onto convoluted RMT schemes to convert isk to cash, but even if we did, that doesn't make it any less RMT and thus doesn't change the punishment. I still expect his assets to be siezed and his accounts to be permanently banned. Undoubtedly he's shutting down Somer in an effort to avoid that, but anything short of that will be a disappointing outcome, as anyone else involved in RMT gets banned forever, and the rules should be applied fairly across the board. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 07:50:00 -
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Fracoix wrote:Andski wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:If that was a joke, it was in poor taste. If it wasn't, I don't think spending money on gambling alone constitutes an addiction to gambling. Honestly, when you've lost enough ISK on Blink that you go full sunk cost and buy PLEX to replenish your losses and continue gambling, I think you have a problem. As far as poor taste jokes go this is pretty benign anyway It's only a problem if you can't afford it. Still got my job, friends, house etc.. So I'm not down and out mate  From an in-character perspective, you are. If you run out of isk and have to borrow from your real wallet, your character is down and out. They psychology of it is pretty similar. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:09:00 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:The whole scheme is so easily exploitable, and will continue to be exploited unless CCP seriously want to do something about it. And hopefully they will dish out the permenant bans, which will be doing something about it. It's not like the affiliate program is any easier to exploit than the fact that people can pay other people money. The reason normal RMT is kept under control is because CCP actively seek and destroy the perpetrators. As long as they show that in this case the same will happen, 99% of the playerbase won't be trying to exploit it, and they can continue to work on banning the 1%. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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